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 _#19649 posted 2007-09-13 @ 11:02 GMT   
Hello,

I have never done any Mods before and I'm not interested in messing around with alternate BIOS, multiboot disks or homebrew games.

I simply want to be able to make or use backups of my kid's retail GameCube games and have them play reliably.

I am seriously looking at the XenoGC because of price, simplicity, and it seems to be one of the newer ones, and therefore is likely the most up-to-date. However, I have seen numerous posts across the net about the XenoGC having Disk Read Errors (DRE), or giving out after a while, or not reading some games. Further, their website is down, which does not offer much confidence in the product.

My second choice would likely be the Duo Q, as it seems similar and their website is still alive. But, I don't know how these two compare.

My last choice would probably be one of the more complex ones like the Viper GC Extreme or the Qoob Pro as I would prefer it to be transparent and simple for my kids.

I know all these chips have been out for a while, so I'm looking for advice from experienced users.

Thank you!

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 _#19650 posted 2007-09-13 @ 11:16 GMT   
Based on your needs, my honest and somewhat biased recommendation would be xenoGC 2.0.

The DRE problems you mentioned are not modchip related, the GC dvd drive is sensitive to recordable media, that's all. However, the modchips handle read errors slightly different between brands (also depending on modes and settings), eg. how many disc read retries to perform before giving up, this sometimes help, but fact remains that the burn is bad if you get DRE.

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 _#19651 posted 2007-09-13 @ 11:35 GMT   
Found the old official site in the internet archive:

http://web.archive.org/web/20061113150109/www.xenogc.com/index.html
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 _#19671 posted 2007-09-14 @ 12:20 GMT   
What about reviews like this one below that state that disks that work fine without the XenoGC have problems with the XenoGC?

"UPDATE 21-JAN: well burned another disc and it does not play. So now it is 4 out of 19 that do not play. I went back and double checked my solder, even tweaked my laser dowm to 150, and still not luck. So I decided to try taking off the xeno and retest with GCoS. Well they all work with GCoS1.4! I guess I will contact the xeno guys. And for now lower the grade to a B, still a great concept but not working for me."

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=15098

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 _#19675 posted 2007-09-14 @ 18:17 GMT   
If you continue to read on in that forum topic it seems like the pot tweak (by increasing instead of decreasing resistance) helps for both the author and those with similar probs. Also, try to read positive posts as well as negative, found this one in the same topic...

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to be honest I never encountered a dre, and I game for more than 3 hours a day, ever since I got the xeno which was some weeks ago.



Personally I think maxconsole is filled with many ignorant and biased posts, so I suggest you read this review at Dextrose instead:

http://www.dextrose-forum.com/_forum/showthread.php?t=10709

Another forum topic I recommend you read is gc burning and dre ramblings.

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 _#19677 posted 2007-09-14 @ 22:31 GMT   
Thank you for the helpful links!

You are selling me on the XenoGC. I just wonder why their site is down.

As far as making backups of GameCube and Wii games, it appears that the simplest method is to buy an LG or GDR 816xb DVD-ROM Drive and rip them with Raw Dump 2.0?

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/471073

[ This message was edited by Rayne on 2007-09-14 @ 23:11 GMT ]

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 _#19679 posted 2007-09-15 @ 03:19 GMT   
I suggest you backup original games with GCOM_v2.3_for_xenoGC over network instead, it's way faster than rawdump, or better yet, download the games you want from internet.
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 _#19680 posted 2007-09-15 @ 04:15 GMT   
What kind of hardware do you need to use with GCOM to make backups? Also I noticed that there is a GCOM v2.4 for XenoGC, does 2.4 have problems?

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 _#19681 posted 2007-09-15 @ 04:23 GMT   
GCOM 2.4 does not include a bootable gamecube disc image for xenoGC, thought that might be a hassle for you to create leading to several new questions.

To use GCOM you need the official BBA (Broad Band Adapter) for GameCube from Nintendo which gives network (Ethernet) support, it looks like this:



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 _#19683 posted 2007-09-15 @ 05:51 GMT   
Ok, so the BBA is only $29 new and fast.

So this is everything I need?

1. XenoGC 2.0
2. GCOM 2.3
3. GameCube Broadband Adapter
4. Ritek RiData G04 4X Mini DVD-R
5. Imgburn
6. CAT5 Crossover cable
7. gamebit or ballpoint pen case melted onto screws, 30 awg wire, 15W Soldering iron, solder, flux.

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 _#19684 posted 2007-09-15 @ 06:04 GMT   
Yes, a CAT5 patch cable, and if you don't have a network hub/switch already you better get a crossover cable (where TX and RX wires are crossed).

You also need a gamebit along with a standard Phillips screwdriver to open the gamecube, soldering equipment, and perhaps thin 30AWG wire for the xenoGC installation. I recommend this type of installation by wire snips (the installation is for wiikey, but you get the idea):

http://www.ps2-scene.org/m37r01d/Wiikey%20review.html

What burner do you have (or intend to buy)?

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 _#19685 posted 2007-09-15 @ 06:25 GMT   
I have a DigitalMax (LiteOn) DRW-3S163 that I have been using for a couple of years to burn CDRs and DVDs. I've never had any problems with it burning any bad disks with numerous cheap brands, but hopefully it's good enough for GameCube disks?

That's a very good installation link you posted, I had not seen that one before. I specifically like how they mounted the mod chip with short pieces of wire, so that it could be snipped off if needed.

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 _#19686 posted 2007-09-15 @ 06:36 GMT   
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On 2007-09-15 @ 06:04 GMT, modrobert wrote:
You also need a gamebit along with a standard Phillips screwdriver to open the gamecube, soldering equipment, and perhaps thin 30AWG wire for the xenoGC installation. I recommend this type of installation by wire snips (the installation is for wiikey, but you get the idea):

http://www.ps2-scene.org/m37r01d/Wiikey%20review.html

[ This message was edited by modrobert on 2007-09-15 @ 06:24 GMT ]



There is also an alternative way to open the GC up using a bic pen. It has a white "grip" with a black or blue end piece. You can use a lighter and heat the tip up and stick it on the screw let it completely cool down and you have yourself a cheap screw driver.

Sorry had a little bit too much to drink tonight and had to do a double take.

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 _#19687 posted 2007-09-15 @ 06:37 GMT   
I think that burner will work as it seems to be good together with the Ritek media (reading the comments). If problem you can try to change the speed, burn at either 2x or 4x.

If you still get DRE problems you can buy a case mod and burn on full size DVD-R instead, makes it easier to find good and cheap media that works better with your burner.

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 _#19692 posted 2007-09-15 @ 11:05 GMT   
If you are in the state look for office depot mini dvd-r's. SoCal recommended that to me. Had no problems since. The were about 20 bucks for 10 but that was also a few years ago. Hopefully they will still have them.

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 _#19694 posted 2007-09-15 @ 15:07 GMT   
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On 2007-09-14 @ 22:31 GMT, Rayne wrote:
As far as making backups of GameCube and Wii games, it appears that the simplest method is to buy an LG or GDR 816xb DVD-ROM Drive and rip them with Raw Dump 2.0?

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/471073


I just recalled the reason I wanted to go the route of buying an LG/GDR 8164b is because it will also backup Wii games for the future if I upgrade. If available, I do plan to just download backups of the games I have, but want the option to backup myself in the rare case I can't find one.

So, two more questions.

1. Will the GC Broadband Adapter work for the Wii or is there another simple method that allows backups on the Wii? It seems convenient to buy one DVD-ROM and be able to backup games on both the GameCube and Wii.

2. I just downloaded a few games right now with uTorrent. I notice they are not the standard size. Does that mean I need to use Fstfix? Or is the a better way?

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 _#19700 posted 2007-09-16 @ 02:13 GMT   
1) No.

2) Just burn them "as is".
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 _#19704 posted 2007-09-16 @ 16:33 GMT   
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On 2007-09-15 @ 06:37 GMT, modrobert wrote:
If you still get DRE problems you can buy a case mod and burn on full size DVD-R instead, makes it easier to find good and cheap media that works better with your burner.



Are these possibly clones and is there a way to tell? And does it matter? I noticed that WiiKey has some clone images on their site, but is there a way to tell the XenoGC clones?

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 _#19708 posted 2007-09-17 @ 00:40 GMT   
if it's a 100% clone then you wont notice it's a clone

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 _#19710 posted 2007-09-17 @ 01:41 GMT   
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On 2007-09-17 @ 00:40 GMT, boxcutter wrote:
if it's a 100% clone then you wont notice it's a clone



Indeed, many chips don't deserve to be labeled "clone" imo.


Quote:
On 2007-09-16 @ 16:33 GMT, Rayne wrote:
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On 2007-09-15 @ 06:37 GMT, modrobert wrote:
If you still get DRE problems you can buy a case mod and burn on full size DVD-R instead, makes it easier to find good and cheap media that works better with your burner.


That link you gave for the case mod also has the XenoGC 2.0 for only $9.95.

A quick google shows another place has them for $8.00 for 1 and $6.40 for 5

And yet another place has the XenoGC for $3.50! But they appear to be sold out.

Are these possibly clones and is there a way to tell? And does it matter? I noticed that WiiKey has some clone images on their site, but is there a way to tell the XenoGC clones?

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Hehe, relax. You seem to get so nervous by having many options to choose from. I guess one way to tell if genuine would be check the reseller list at the archived xenoGC site I linked previously.

BTW;

I just remembered, with qoob you can dump games directly without additional software, just point your browser to the IP address, you can find more info in the GcQoobNetworkTutorial.

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 _#20149 posted 2007-10-24 @ 22:44 GMT   
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On 2007-09-16 @ 02:13 GMT, modrobert wrote:
1) No.

2) Just burn them "as is".



This has been a really helpful NGC thread, modrobert! Best I've seen on the net.

Anyway, you say just burn ISOs "as is." Does that mean that the XenoGC does not have problems reading ISOs burned from images that have been wiped or modified and as a result are smaller or larger than the normal 1,459,978,240 bytes?

At Mod That Cube - Burning Images near the bottom he writes:

If the image isn't exactly "1,459,978,240 bytes" then it has been wiped, underdumped and/or curroupted. To fix the image with FSTFIX go to our downloads section, grab "Loony Cube's Wiped GCM Fixer/FSTFIX v1.5f", extract it to the directory that contains the image and then run it via the command line interface as shown in the example below.

c:\fstfix.exe "Zelda Twilight Princess (beta).iso" f

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 _#20156 posted 2007-10-25 @ 10:03 GMT   
While some "small" images boot ok, others fail, regardless of modchip.

Keep in mind that some of the old images were meant to be streamed to animal crossing or PSO loader via network, this was long before the first modchip was released.
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 _#20177 posted 2007-10-26 @ 12:36 GMT   
That's kind of confusing. So do you recommend using fstfix on images that are not the correct size or not? Or is it so rare that an odd sized image does not run that it's not worth the bother?

Also, while we are on the topic of image sizes, what is the largest image you can burn to a full size disc and still have it run? Such as multi-game ISOs.

Is there a guide somewhere for creating multigame ISOs for XenoGC? I assume you could put 3 or 4 full size games on one 4.5GB DVD?

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1,459,978,240 Bytes is the maximum disc size a GameCube console can read. The limit is in BIOS and the DVD drive.

You can use the windows tool provided with GCOS v4 to create multi discs within the 1,459,978,240 Bytes max size.

The Wii console on the other hand does not have this limit in GameCube mode.

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Thank you!

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 _#20187 posted 2007-10-27 @ 02:09 GMT   
The name kind of gives it away; GCOS.
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 _#20188 posted 2007-10-27 @ 04:48 GMT   
I assume GCOS is better for making multi-game DVDs than GCMUtility?

Are you one of the guys that writes this software?

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this has to be the longest thread over something that costs less than a few good beer's i'v ever seen!


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On 2007-10-26 @ 13:50 GMT, modrobert wrote:
1,459,978,240 Bytes is the maximum disc size a GameCube console can read. The limit is in BIOS and the DVD drive.

You can use the windows tool provided with GCOS v4 to create multi discs within the 1,459,978,240 Bytes max size.

The Wii console on the other hand does not have this limit in GameCube mode.



I tried making a multi game disc with GCOS v4F+ and it booted with a nice looking menu, but after selecting a game, choosing Audio and NTSC, it appeared to be stuck loading at a black screen on both games - no DRE or graphics.

Games are Starfox Adventures and Lost Kingdoms. As explained in the readme, I used GCM Utility 0.5 to shrink them first so they were together less than 1.35 GB.

Then just used the command: gcos.exe multi.iso USA starfox.iso lostking.iso

I also had problems putting these two games on a multiboot image with GCM Utility 0.5. The image burned fine and they both came up in the Xeno menu and began loading when selected, but would result in DREs. Burning them on their own discs they work fine.

So, I'm just trying to figure out the multi-boot game now.



[ This message was edited by Rayne on 2009-01-03 @ 00:36 GMT ]

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 _#23191 posted 2009-01-03 @ 00:30 GMT   
I just wanted to post a followup.

I took Modrobert's advice and got a XenoGC 2.0. It has worked out great! It was just a matter of six little wires to solder, along with a bunch of Gamecube screws to get there, and a slight adjustment (it's very sensitive) of the laser potentiometer to about 130 Ohms and I was in business.

I don't recommend making multi-boot disks with the XenoGC, as many games will not run in multiboot mode and you will end up wasting DVDs. DVDs are dirt-cheap anyway, so just burn each game to it's own disc knowing it will work for sure.

Also get a full size gamecube case - it will pay for itself in allowing you to use regular DVDs.

The DVDs that worked best for me were full size Memorex 16x DVD-R RitekF1 and MCC 03RG20 media, made in Taiwan. I was able to burn them at full speed and not only did they burn well, but worked flawlessly. I'm sure there are other brands of RitekF1 and MCC 03RG20 also, but these Memorex ones are sold almost everywhere very cheaply and work very well.




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 _#36316 posted 2019-01-28 @ 22:18 GMT   
Xeno or Viper GC imo, yet I tend to use Viper more

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