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 _#30879 posted 2012-10-10 @ 01:42 GMT   
I just got word from a well known team that will make PS3 owners happy!

Watching the video and drooling!! With those few words I hope to keep you interested...
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 _#30883 posted 2012-10-10 @ 06:43 GMT   
Can we see Video as well. You have my curiousity.

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 _#30886 posted 2012-10-10 @ 10:08 GMT   
Teasing, that's not fair

I hope its something good and not another reDRM piece of sh*t.

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 _#30887 posted 2012-10-10 @ 10:32 GMT   
Hope to see more, soon. Let´s hope this is not to grab some more new members

Teasing... grrr....

We want to see nipples, not only the swimsuit

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 _#30888 posted 2012-10-10 @ 13:41 GMT   
Round Three!!! for the Team. Xkey is good. 3Key will be Better!!!



[ This message was edited by 3Key on 2012-10-10 @ 13:57 GMT ]

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 _#30889 posted 2012-10-10 @ 16:36 GMT   
I believe it is: 3k3y

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We seldom elaborate on rumors. In many cases, as with 1175 CFW, they prove to be wrong. But of course, there are exceptions...




hi-res version here.

Source: http://www.facebook.com/x360key

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 _#30890 posted 2012-10-10 @ 16:42 GMT   
Looks good. Keep us posted when released

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 _#30891 posted 2012-10-10 @ 16:45 GMT   
Video with 3k3y in action coming soon.
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 _#30892 posted 2012-10-10 @ 17:52 GMT   
More info while waiting for the video:

In order to retrieve the needed BD drive key, Team 3k3y (aka xk3y) will release a PS3 software tool which requires CFW 3.55, after the key is dumped the PS3 can be upgraded to latest official system update (firmware/XMB) to get PSN etc.

The team is exploring other options to dump the required key as well, more on that later.

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 _#30893 posted 2012-10-10 @ 18:05 GMT   
Thanks for the update.

That sounds good, and should be good for lots of PS3 users.

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 _#30894 posted 2012-10-10 @ 18:15 GMT   
can it boot backup BD-R as well or just boot backups from HDD? If can boot BD-R i will buy this for sure even i dont enjoy the PSN

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 _#30895 posted 2012-10-10 @ 18:16 GMT   
Quote:
On 2012-10-10 @ 17:52 GMT, modrobert wrote:
More info while waiting for the video: In order to retrieve the needed BD drive key, Team 3k3y (aka xk3y) will release a PS3 util which requires CFW 3.55, after the key is dumped the PS3 can be upgraded to latest official system update (firmware/XMB) to get PSN etc. The team is exploring other options to dump the required key as well, more on that later.




thanks---i have a question



what is util

when video will release??


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 _#30896 posted 2012-10-10 @ 18:17 GMT   
Here come all the new posters modrobert. Be prepared lol.

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Quote:
On 2012-10-10 @ 17:52 GMT, modrobert wrote:
More info while waiting for the video: In order to retrieve the needed BD drive key, Team 3k3y (aka xk3y) will release a PS3 util which requires CFW 3.55, after the key is dumped the PS3 can be upgraded to latest official system update (firmware/XMB) to get PSN etc. The team is exploring other options to dump the required key as well, more on that later.


need cfw.3.55? a 3008 model?
lose hope?

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 _#30898 posted 2012-10-10 @ 18:47 GMT   
bobbybilwani,

Yes, I'm relatively sure it does support original discs as well, but will confirm it anyway. Pretty much same functionality as xkey.


dev-ps3,

I mean software tool* (edited the original post). The public video will probably be released in a day or so.


maksPRO,

For now, any PS3 model that can be downgraded to CFW 3.55 will be supported, this is only to retrieve the Blu-ray drive key, after that you can update as you want.

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On 2012-10-10 @ 18:47 GMT, modrobert wrote:
bobbybilwani,

Yes, I'm relatively sure it does support original discs as well, but will confirm it anyway. Pretty much same functionality as xkey.


dev-ps3,

I mean software tool* (edited the original post). The public video will probably be released in a day or so.


maksPRO,

For now, any PS3 model that can be downgraded to CFW 3.55 will be supported.



[ This message was edited by modrobert on 2012-10-10 @ 18:48 GMT ]



my question was not for ORIGINAL dics , i mean the backup dics BD-R , if someone burn backup on BD-R and want to play without HDD will this support this ?

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On 2012-10-10 @ 18:50 GMT, bobbybilwani wrote:
my question was not for ORIGINAL dics , i mean the backup dics BD-R , if someone burn backup on BD-R and want to play without HDD will this support this ?

regards



No, not unless someone release a custom drive firmware for PS3, doubt Team 3key will do that.
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 _#30901 posted 2012-10-10 @ 18:55 GMT   
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On 2012-10-10 @ 18:50 GMT, bobbybilwani wrote:


my question was not for ORIGINAL dics , i mean the backup dics BD-R , if someone burn backup on BD-R and want to play without HDD will this support this ?

regards



Im guessing the obvious answer would be no....
Its a Blu Ray drive emulator, the HDD acts as Blu Ray drive, so burnt BD's wont work, thats what i get from it anyway.

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 _#30902 posted 2012-10-10 @ 18:56 GMT   
best PS3 will be a Hacked DEX + 3K3Y

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 _#30903 posted 2012-10-10 @ 18:57 GMT   
3008 and later model will be supported?
I have 3008 model

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On 2012-10-10 @ 18:56 GMT, LordX wrote:
best PS3 will be a Hacked DEX + 3K3Y



No, that would probably be the worst combo. I think most people will use 3key to stay on latest official firmware update (xmb), so they can use PSN, and play backup games requiring 4.x.
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On 2012-10-10 @ 18:57 GMT, maksPRO wrote:
3008 and later model will be supported?
I have 3008 model



I will avoid to answer that, and repeat what I mentioned before. For now, any PS3 model that can be downgraded to CFW 3.55 (or if it already has CFW 3.55) will be supported, this is only to retrieve the Blu-ray drive key, after that you can update as you want.

The reason I don't want to answer "yes" or "no" if a specific PS3 model is supported is because that changes almost daily, this is regardless of 3k3y, only relying on the fact if the PS3 can be downgraded to 3.55 or not.

I recommend this guide over at ps3hax.net where you can check PS3 models that can be downgraded:

http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=39766


You can find the same guide over at ps3crunch.net as well:

http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/threads/3955-The-Ultimate-Idiots-Guide-Ps3-hardware-downgrading

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 _#30906 posted 2012-10-10 @ 19:11 GMT   
Yes, I'm talking about not downgrade ps3
then they will be supported?

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On 2012-10-10 @ 19:11 GMT, maksPRO wrote:
Yes, I'm talking about not downgrade ps3
then they will be supported?



As mentioned previously in this thread, the 3k3y Team is researching other options to dump the required key as well, more on that later. For now you have to downgrade to (or be on) CFW 3.55 in order to get the unique BD drive key required by 3k3y, once you have the key the PS3 can be updated anyway you want, doesn't matter for 3key.

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Does anyone know if this would be compatible with dex fimware and consoles??

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 _#30909 posted 2012-10-10 @ 19:41 GMT   
and_fis,

Yes, you can use anything you want, but the backup games still requiring official firmware v4.xx will fail, and PSN will fail, just as they do on DEX consoles now without 3k3y, so I don't really see the point besides being able to store games on EXT3 or NTFS hard drive (as opposed to FAT32).

EDIT: Second thought, DEX will fail, because it needs the game backups in development file system.

If you want all games to work without patching, and use PSN, you need the latest official firmware Sony has to offer for PS3.

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 _#30910 posted 2012-10-10 @ 20:06 GMT   
General tech info about 3k3y which is true for xkey as well.

The 3k3y hardware device is an advanced Optical Disc Drive (ODD) emulator, it does not rely on any software based hacks to operate (once the drive key is known).

The device is connected on the SATA (PATA) bus in the PS3, like this; cable from PS3 goes into 3key, cable to BD drive goes out from 3k3y, in other words 3k3y physically sits between the drive and the PS3 mainboard and offers USB 2.0 port to connect hard drive(s). Games residing on the connected hard drive(s) can be selected using a small remote display with buttons (as seen in the photo linked a few posts up reading "PS3" in white characters on the display). You need to open the PS3 to install 3k3y, but no soldering is required.

For the PS3 this device appears as a legit BD drive, and replies to any ATA protocol requests/commands the same way the original drive does. The BD drive key which is unique in each PS3 makes it possible for 3k3y to decrypt/encrypt data on the fly and redirect SATA traffic originally on disc media from the hard drive connected via USB 2.0 instead. No original Blu-ray disc needs to be inserted for operation, you can use this without any disc in the drive.

Again, this makes it possible to use any official firmware (XMB) version you want after installation (and key retrieval). No need for software hacks like CFW or DEX to make this work at all. If the original game requires firmware (XMB) 4.25, then go ahead and update, just like you would if the system was completely original (virgin).


I hope this clears up any misunderstandings what 3k3y does, or what it requires.

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 _#30911 posted 2012-10-10 @ 20:07 GMT   
Well that ruined an almost wet dream.lol I can play regular non dex backups on dex 3.55 but not dex 4.21 Is that from lack of key support for higher firmware? Ex:

3.55 game workes on cfw and ofw dex

3.55 game will play on dex 4.21 but no injection for backup cause peek and poke not implemented without keys on 4.21 dex

3k3y solves peek and poke issue its like having the actuall disc in drive

dex 4.21 will play retail disc games i would think that 3k3y would allow the same since it just emulates a real disc in drive. correct??

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 _#30912 posted 2012-10-10 @ 20:09 GMT   
No DEX, use original firmware, no hacks at all needed (after key retrieval). Read my tech explanation a couple of posts up.

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 _#30913 posted 2012-10-10 @ 20:13 GMT   
i understand that it uses no cfw.. BUt dex 4.21 is a ofw just a developer version of ofw 4.21.... not a cfw ....thats why im asking not trying to be complicated or be an asshole.

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 _#30914 posted 2012-10-10 @ 20:19 GMT   
the only thing dex allows on 4.21 is to play retail games and allows for downgrading back to 3.55 to a cfw dex to play backups but all in all 4.21 dex is an offical firmware... i think if ofw dex 4.21 will play a retail 4.21 blu ray dvd then it sould work the same on the 3key. cause it is again only playing a dvd....

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 _#30915 posted 2012-10-10 @ 20:21 GMT   
No worries, just go ahead and ask. If the CFW you use can load games on Blu-Ray from the BD drive today, then it will be able to do that from hard drive with 3k3y installed as well.

However, to my knowledge the Blu-ray Disc (BD) drive is not used with CFW, original game disc can be mounted for compatibility, but games are actually loaded from a hard drive connected to the USB port on PS3 or from the internal hard drive.

Simply put, whatever fails with the installed CFW will fail with 3key as well. That's the reason it is kind of pointless to use 3k3y with CFW, but makes a lot of sense to use OFW.

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 _#30916 posted 2012-10-10 @ 20:29 GMT   
thanks for your understanding, I own an xkey for my xbox and have owned it since it first came out so i will diffenitly purchase this for my ps3 as well any news of a price point as of yet or is it too early

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 _#30917 posted 2012-10-10 @ 20:32 GMT   
Ok, I'm heading off to bed, good night. Before replying with more questions you want "official answers" to, please read this post (in this topic) for a brief technical explanation of 3k3y.
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 _#30919 posted 2012-10-11 @ 06:54 GMT   
I've just got verified that 3k3y will use the old ISO backup format for games, not the decrypted PSJB format. So we finally get 1:1 game dumps again, great news for the release groups.

Using PS3 Linux the games can be dumped with the following command:

Code:
dd if=/dev/cdrom of=game.iso



As it was done years before PSJB (first USB dongle) was introduced.


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 _#30923 posted 2012-10-11 @ 07:43 GMT   
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On 2012-10-11 @ 06:54 GMT, modrobert wrote:
I've just got verified that 3k3y will use the old ISO backup format for games, not the decrypted PSJB format. So we finally get 1:1 game dumps again, great news for the release groups.

Using PS3 Linux the games can be dumped with the following command:

Code:
dd if=/dev/cdrom of=game.iso



As it was done years before PSJB (first USB dongle) was introduced.



So it doesn't compatible with ISO format that we can convert with apps GenPS3iso?

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 _#30924 posted 2012-10-11 @ 08:10 GMT   
3k3y supports ISO format, raw dump of the disc, still encrypted, 1:1. I'm not sure what kind of format genps3iso creates, perhaps something unique to Cobra?
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 _#30925 posted 2012-10-11 @ 08:18 GMT   
it would be nice if you would have found this method
I have a minimum 3.72
I'm waiting
Sorry for the error is the translation of Google
I'm Russian

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 _#30926 posted 2012-10-11 @ 09:21 GMT   
will keep an eye on this,,my 500gb western harddrive as said good night after 2 years of hard work ,not the best drives?.
so ready for new start,console still on 3.41 fw.
looking forward keep up the good work

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 _#30927 posted 2012-10-11 @ 09:53 GMT   
If BD drive inserted into the console with 3.55 and extract from it a key?


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 _#30928 posted 2012-10-11 @ 10:23 GMT   
When will it show "for the people" ?

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 _#30929 posted 2012-10-11 @ 11:31 GMT   
where is the new year


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 _#30930 posted 2012-10-11 @ 12:07 GMT   
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On 2012-10-11 @ 09:53 GMT, maksPRO wrote:
If BD drive inserted into the console with 3.55 and extract from it a key?



No, that will fail, has to be the PS3 mainboard the BD drive is "married" to.


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When will it show "for the people" ?



I don't know, but hoping it is before Xmas.
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 _#30931 posted 2012-10-11 @ 12:42 GMT   
There will be ripper functionality according to the 3k3y Team, so no need to dump games via Linux, I just mentioned that to clarify the raw format. More info about this on product launch.
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 _#30932 posted 2012-10-11 @ 13:39 GMT   
So the ISOs won´t be compressible then?
So we are stuck with full BD/DVD ISO sizes (4/8/25/50 GB).

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 _#30934 posted 2012-10-11 @ 14:44 GMT   
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On 2012-10-11 @ 13:39 GMT, simonn wrote:
So the ISOs won´t be compressible then?
So we are stuck with full BD/DVD ISO sizes (4/8/25/50 GB).



Only 25/50GB, PS3 doesn't do DVD Games.

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 _#30936 posted 2012-10-11 @ 16:22 GMT   
Ok, so i made a little test and downloaded the first rars of some old ass PS3 1:1 ISO releases from 2007 (pre-Jailbreak), here are the results:

NFL_Madden_2007_USA_BLUERAY_PS3-PARADOX
Unrared ISO size: 7.07 GB

Full_Auto_2_Battlelines_USA_PS3-PARADOX
Unrared ISO size: 3.55 GB

Ridge_Racer_7_NTSC_PS3BD-SCE
Unrared ISO size: 6.95 GB

So it appears, that the PS3 1:1 ISOs are NOT padded and will NOT have the full BD size (25 or 50 GB), which is a great thing!

//Edit: i also posted this here.

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 _#30937 posted 2012-10-11 @ 17:00 GMT   
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On 2012-10-11 @ 16:22 GMT, simonn wrote:
Ok, so i made a little test and downloaded the first rars of some old ass PS3 1:1 ISO releases from 2007 (pre-Jailbreak), here are the results:

NFL_Madden_2007_USA_BLUERAY_PS3-PARADOX
Unrared ISO size: 7.07 GB

Full_Auto_2_Battlelines_USA_PS3-PARADOX
Unrared ISO size: 3.55 GB

Ridge_Racer_7_NTSC_PS3BD-SCE
Unrared ISO size: 6.95 GB

So it appears, that the PS3 1:1 ISOs are NOT padded and will NOT have the full BD size (25 or 50 GB), which is a great thing!

[ This message was edited by simonn on 2012-10-11 @ 16:24 GMT ]



Thanks for checking. I just verified a few raw iso dumps lying around on my hard drive here, different sizes indeed, not like Xbox 360.
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 _#30938 posted 2012-10-11 @ 17:01 GMT   
The video should be ready on Saturday or Monday the 3k3y team just informed me.
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 _#30939 posted 2012-10-11 @ 17:02 GMT   
Take a look at this beauty!


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